Excerpt from an interview with: Ronald S.Pugsley
INTERVIEWER: Cuba Miller
DATE: October 1, 2001
Ron, I want to go on. You meet regularly with state personnel from the
Council of State Directors.
CM: There's kind of a dual organization there. Besides the council
there is the National Adult Education Professional Development Consortium.
I'd like for you to talk about those, and the differences between the
two, and what the structure and function of these groups are.
RP: The membership is the same.
RP: That is the one similarity. The difference is that when we come
together as a consortium, the focus is usually on professional development
issues. In this case, it's not professional development for the field;
it's professional development of managers and state personnel. The
consortium has that function and standing here in Washington as a professional
CM: They actually pay state dues to that consortium?
RP: They pay state dues for that. One of the functions of the consortium
is to provide information to the Congress in terms of requests that they
make. Sometimes it gets over into the role of the Council of State Directors
when you are asked to make certain appearances, or references. When we meet
as the Council of State Directors we look at administrative issues that
are rising out of the Adult Education Act, or now the Adult Education and
Literacy Act. We review formula or distribution issues [and], let's
say, priorities under State Leadership Funds in relationship to the National
Leadership Fund, which we administer. In both instances we are dealing with
priorities in the use of this discretionary money. We look at the whole
issue of accountability and reporting. Really ways in which, and this has
been more recent, states that are better endowed than other states can mentor
or even provide services to those states that are lacking those services.
To come back to your question, are there really big differences, sometimes
you wouldn't even know at all. It doesn't make that much difference
CM: It kind of sounds like the Council of State Directors, in theory
at least, is more administrative, deals with administrative matters connected
to the federal legislation, and the National Adult Education Professional
Development Consortium is more programmatic.
RP: That's right. I would say the Council of State Directors is
concerned with policy, and whether the [policies] of the federal legislation
are working or not working. The Council has its own legislative representative
who analyzes the legislative scene at the national level for the Council.